(12-02-2018, 08:44 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The idea that a series of words is the reason why an approach (in all of its forms) fails is simply illogical.

No amount of "poetry" will create attraction.


When the other person is not attracted to you, all that you do is irrelevant. Pick up wisdom and strategies are scams for the kids who think getting women is a magic you can learn when in fact it's all about looks and money.

(12-02-2018, 08:44 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The idea that a series of words is the reason why an approach (in all of its forms) fails is simply illogical.

No amount of "poetry" will create attraction.


When the other person is not attracted to you, all that you do is irrelevant. Pick up wisdom and strategies are scams for the kids who think getting women is a magic you can learn when in fact it's all about looks and money.

(12-03-2018, 04:41 PM)Brett Wrote:

(12-02-2018, 08:44 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The idea that a series of words is the reason why an approach (in all of its forms) fails is simply illogical.

No amount of "poetry" will create attraction.


When the other person is not attracted to you, all that you do is irrelevant. Pick up wisdom and strategies are scams for the kids who think getting women is a magic you can learn when in fact it's all about looks and money.

The industries (pick-up, sales and fitness) like to put a lot of emphasis on your technique and mannerism. However these variables are not nearly as important as looks, genetics and who you know. If they told you that what you say and which exercises you do contribute very little to the final result, they would not be as popular. Nobody is going to pay for their books or watch their videos if this was the case.

The independent variables are your circumstance (who you know), looks, money and genetics. While your dependent variables (dependent on your independent variables) are your text game, exercise program choice, sales scripts, sales techniques, what you say to women and the 'pick-up rules', confident attitude, nice clothes and haircut, etc.

Obviously the independent variables are things you can't change (or would struggle to, with the exception of who you know but making rich friends who can introduce you to their rich friends is hard if you aren't rich) while the dependent are things you can change. The industry therefore makes you believe you have the power to change. What they don't tell you is you do, but what you can change matters very little to the outcome you desire.

Having the best script in the world and sales technique while having very few connections, won't beat having lots of connections and friends (being likeable) and a poor sales technique.

Having the best conversational skills and being confident while being ugly and short, won't beat being 6'3, ripped and facially aesthetically pleasing to look at with mediocre confidence and conversation skills.

Having the scientifically best training method and exercise choice but subpar genetics won't beat great genetics and a mediocre training method.

(12-04-2018, 12:19 PM)Jonesy Wrote: I have seen ugly old men brimming with confidence when speaking to girls. They were people with very little self-awareness and not held back by insecurities. As such, they are often rated as the creepiest of the creeps.

People decode a social situation in whatever way suits their personal narrative. If a good looking guy fumbles his words and says something stupid it cos he's funny and 'fancies me'. If a fat or ugly looking guy does he's 'a creep'.

That said, average brahs can increase their attractability by not coming across as desperate or saying something stupid or ridiculous. Genuinely sending a girl an 'I love you' message after a first date is really going to make you less attractive in her eyes for example. I have had women interested in me up until I showed an interest back. I know this is venturing into mind games territory, but playing it cool with a 'see what happens' mindset towards dating and girls always looks better than a guy who is obviously trying for a full time relationship with the first pretty girl that will have him.

(12-04-2018, 06:56 PM)khrazz Wrote: pick up artists = male equivalent to what feminism is to women. What does feminism do to a woman? Feminism crushes a womans (already) crushed self-esteem, by saying that men reject her just because she is ugly and fat (acceptance of a bad state). Then, it brainwashes them to think that its not their fault for being unlikable, but mens fault (loss of personal responsibility ) even though they act like bitches .

Thats what the pick up artist community does too. But in reverse. In the pick up artist mindset, its always YOUR fault for not getting a date, not the womans fault. Its YOUR fault for being out of shape, sexless, or for getting rejected/dumped/cheated on. So how does the pick up artist help you here? obviously, by demanding you buy a 50euro 200word book, that actually provides nothing in material other than bullshit phychology tricks/tips that an undergrad phychology student learns from his first year in college. Oh and btw, add crushed ego into your list, because that pick up artist is going to have lots of "pick up videos" where he "scores" 10/10 women just by accidently steping in front of them. yea ok...


I remember searching pick up artist stuff, when i had just broken up. This is the biggest trap right there, cause during a breakup its easy to fall into the victim mindset , something that pick up artists thrive on. I remember seeing lots of videos on picking up women, and even then, they seemed that something was off. Something was not natural. Just like when you see Phil Heath and think that something is not natural about this guys body... yea the same thought passed to my mind about lots of pick up videos. The converstations were way too smooth compared to how they are in real life. Obviously, they were most likely paid actresses / cousins / friends. obviously they would never tell you that would they